B-17 training video

For those of you interested in a how-to.
Here’s a fun video to watch:
Flak Shak
Recent correspondence from Charles L. :
My grandfather was the pilot for the B-17 “Flak Shak” (42-97307) until it’s forced landing in Sept. of ‘44 in which the plane was no longer flyable. He was also the last to fly Relcutant Lady in which his crew was forced to bail out a couple of weeks later. I know that many crews “shared” B-17s depending on which were flyable.
I have some files from an 8th Historian named Bill Varnedoe (who was also a navigator I believe) that documents crews, their missions, the B-17s they flew and on what dates. I helped Bill piece together Flak Shak’s serial number and also sent him my grandfather’s crew photo for his records. We have some other things from when my grandpa was in POW camp that are pretty interesting including a book in which different men signed, drew, and contributed stories and poems to. Other than that, the pic below is all I’ve ever seen besides a drawing my grandfather did in the aforementioned book of the Flak Shak.

Helpful research information
Finding Your Father’s War by Jonathan Gawne. ”A Practical Guide to Researching and Understanding Service in the World War II US Army”. An appendix on the Army Air Forces. 

Ball Turret gunner
My father is Edward Waters from Washington DC. He was stationed at Great Ashfield with The 385th Bomb Group. He was assigned to the B-17 serial #42-31237 Alexanders Rag Time Band. On May 8th 1944 the misson he was on was a bombing run on Bremen Germany . Because he wanted to increase his missions to go home he volunteered for the mission with another plane the Jeanne Rickey (Gin Rickey) serial #42-31786. The Ball Turret gunner on this crew was sick and my father was the last minute replacement. My father told us he loaded the plane seconds before taking off and he knew no one on the crew. He asked the crew what the target was but no one told them. The MACR was 4563 that only states that the plane was shot down over Bremen Germany and he was a Pow at Stalag Luft 3 Sagan Silesia Bavaria .I hope you can shine more light on the missing crew members on the May 8th 1944 bombing raid to Bremen
Jim Waters Aka Mudue8
Resources
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LaMotte Chronology (work in progress)

03/31/43 Enlistment
03/22/44 Special Orders
03/23/44 Orders
03/24/44 Ordnance
04/18/44 First Mission-Berlin
Tales to Noses over Berlin excerpt
Shared story
Jeanne Rickey II
From Lt. Ihlenburg, Pilot.
“The B-24’s and B-17’s have started a buzzing feud of late – so – o – o, being as I didn’t fly a
mission today, I paid a B-24 field a visit. I think I settled it today. I made a six-foot hedge five feet
in four places and brought back home part of their wind sock.”

From Matt:
I remembered the story… apparently the day he did that there was someone on
the ‘24 base that happened to have a camera out. They took the shot of Pop
over the tower. Pop didn’t even know it was taken. Anyway, several weeks later
the photo comes to the base care of “The Pilot” who was flying this plane. How
funny is that? Pop used to love that story. It’s amazing what you can forget… it’s
also amazing what will bring it back.
Additional Notes on this plane from Matt:
Just found out an interesting tidbit… the “Jeanne Rickey II” was painted with the
name on it. My grandfather writes in a letter dated July 6,1944,
“Too bad I haven’t got the old Jeanne Ricky II any more for the picture with the
name on it. I guess not though, ’cause I wouldn’t want to fly that ship again even
if they could fix it. It makes me so mad we didn’t take some pictures of her after
we landed, as we had both a bomb bay camera and a waist hand camera that
day, but in the excitement and confusion, all was forgotten.”
From Google cache
| 2009.02.28 18:46:59 | |
| Another interesting tidbit for Scott… something you may already know, but,your dad (LaMotte) left for home on the 4th of July. How cool is that. Both your dad and
Danny left that day. Pop was bummed about it… both for the reasons that his original crew is all but gone and he wants to go home too… “Seeing those boys go home really hurts.” |
| 2009.02.28 18:45:12 | |
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Again from Matt, he recalls a story of the Jeanne Rickey II and the buzzing of the tower.
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I just got to a letter written on the 10th of July… it explains, and brings back memories, of a story my pop would tell… one that I had forgotten until I read this letter. Anyway, the shot of the 17 over the tower isn’t at Great Ashfield… it’s at one of the local B-24 bases. Here’s what he says in the letter,
“The B-24’s and B-17’s have started a buzzing feud of late – so – o – o, being as I didn’t fly a mission today, I paid a B-24 field a visit. I think I settled it today. I made a six-foot hedge five feet in four places and brought back home part of their wind sock.”
It was after reading that where I remembered the story… apparently the day he did that there was someone on the ‘24 base that happened to have a camera out. They took the shot of Pop over the tower. Pop didn’t even know it was taken. Anyway, several weeks later the photo comes to the base care of “The Pilot” who was flying this plane. How funny is that. Pop used to love that story. It’s amazing what you can forget… it’s also amazing what will bring it back.
Matt |
| 2009.02.20 21:37:09 | |
| What Lloyd LaMotte’s view would have been. |
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